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as some call him in their posts...BATMAN...SUPERMAN...I call him simply
a bad joke as a mayor and leader of Thunder Bay...
damanisback says:
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story on lawsuit to follow
4/9/2013 8:23:24 PM
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"When I got him outside he started resisting so I just grounded him."
If some random guy grabs you, pushes you around and tells you I'm under arrest, I think "resisting" is probably a reasonable reaction.
Does our mayor regard himself as Batman? He shouldn't. He's going to get himself in trouble again and the taxpayer will, again, have to pay for it.
4/9/2013 8:42:16 PM
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Batman for sure , but what about Joe Virdiramo ? Det. Frank Cannon perhaps ?
4/9/2013 11:45:56 PM
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The guy was a cop for how many years. He been shot at how many times? I'm sure he can safely handle a citizens arrest. Being a police officer who dealt with a lot of intoxicated people (which thunder bay is famous for) he obviously knows what the limits are. He didn't go out of his way looking for trouble but the guy left him no choice. With no security at the event and with a police background would you let someone sit there and swear at people? When would you have stepped in? When he started throwing punches? If he was that agitated it would have easily made it to that level.
(from the Canadian criminal code on citizens arrest)494.(1) Any one may arrest without warrant b) a person who, on reasonable grounds, he believes (i) has committed a criminal offence, and
(opinion) While being intoxicated in public is only a summary offense, police officers will typically arrest because the person becomes a danger to themselves.Mayor Hobbs was well within his rights as was anyone else there
4/10/2013 12:06:08 AM
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Kirkage says:
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I doubt the mayor will sue.
4/9/2013 9:03:46 PM
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dee16 says:
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" I love what I'm doing now" ... Which is what exactly??
4/9/2013 9:03:50 PM
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In other news Mayor Hobbs saves kitten from tree, TBnewswatch commenters lambast him for climbing a tree wasting tax payer money, says tree's should all be replaced with bushes.
4/9/2013 9:19:57 PM
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Swirly-Q says:
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Hey, I'm all for cracking down on public drunkenness and unruly behaviour but this mayor's bravado has cost us before in legal bills. I'm hoping it doesn't again.
4/10/2013 7:59:01 AM
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Nanoo says:
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lol.. thats awesome! good job Mayor!
4/9/2013 9:22:40 PM
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brooky says:
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Was this such an emergency that he couldn't have called the cops? The station is a minute away. Ridiculous.
4/9/2013 9:25:13 PM
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Good call Mr. Hobbs.
None of you were there and know nothing more than what you are reading in the news report so mind your own business. It doesn't matter who, what, when or why, you miserable people will always input your negative comments.
4/9/2013 9:44:18 PM
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RBosch says:
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Obviously, not one of the commentors above attended the meeting. I did, and it was quite evident the man was not in a proper state of mind. He first spoke out during the presentation from his seat at the far end of a row, near the front, swearing once. Mr. Lindsay responded to him with an answer and that seemed to satisfy him, at least temporarily. A short time later, again during the presentation, the man rose from his seat and walked along his row towards the near end and spouted obscenites, directed at the presenter and all within earshot. He left the end of his row and the Mayor rose from his seat at the first row and approached the man, directly in fr9nt of myself. The man knew who was excorting him from the hall, as he addressed Mr. Hobbs as "mister mayor". He left the hall with the Mayor and a couple of others escorting him. I do not know what happened outside, but I do know the man was agitated inside the hall Thank you Mr. Mayor.
4/9/2013 9:54:30 PM
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dee16 "Sleeping on the leather couch" , then "A walk about"
4/9/2013 11:24:55 PM
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Those "Wednesday walk abouts" seem to really be helping the stabbings, robbings, arson's,drug problems, and alcohol problems in this city haven't heard about one in the past couple of hours....
4/10/2013 12:19:54 AM
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You are grasping for straws with your Mayor bashing comment.
There could be 10,000 police officers in this city and it would do nothing to stop the stabbings, robberies, arsons, alcohol and drug problems.
These problems will continue until the end of time as they are mental health issues that nobody has any control over.
4/10/2013 9:41:45 AM
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Heres an idea, find the ROOT of the problem...I can TELL you what it is. Narcotics is a huge problem in this city, when people need, they rob. The stabbings and murders I can TELL you is NOT random. A lot of the times it is because people owe money for drugs, or are mugging them for the drugs. As a person who is around the same age as a lot of these criminals and victims and I am well aware of the issues going on, and have seen it first hand.Instead of spending money on things like "light up hockey sticks that tell a story" at the marina, why not spend it on drug programs, and support groups, sure there might already be some in this city but are the put out there in the open. When I was in high school and college there was minimal if ANY awareness of these programs. Sure I understand the idea of beautifying the waterfront and the city, but is it really beautiful to be walking down at the water front and seeing emergency response services there because someone got hurt?
4/10/2013 10:49:17 AM
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musicferret says:
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Dee, you are correct. Mystified, your comment about 10000 police officers doing nothing is also correct.
We need to stop spending money on police and start spending on the root of the problem. Raises for cops does NOTHING to help combat crime.
4/10/2013 2:37:18 PM
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The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
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I thought poor police wages were all the problem here.
4/12/2013 10:04:09 AM
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Another one of Hobb's pubblicity stunts, how much did he pay the man to act up! Also to Tbnewswatch = what happened to the Resolute tax story you had earlier today, pretty hard to find now, but I am sure this will not get printed.
4/10/2013 1:20:03 AM
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Pretty sure the Resolute tax story wound-up in the same place as the story about everyone's favorite employer...Bucky.
4/10/2013 10:10:38 AM
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So if Mr Hobbs Touched him, couldn't he be charged with assault.
4/10/2013 3:48:05 AM
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Molly says:
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Good Job Mr. Mayor
A man of action!
4/10/2013 6:47:14 AM
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lol.. thats awesome! good job Mayor
I agree
4/10/2013 6:49:15 AM
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typical thunder bay mentality, nobody does anything, people sit there like yo yos, than once the mayor got involved, a couple other people decided to get off their butts and help out. Why didn't the former police officer escort the man out of the hall before the mayor had to get involved.
4/10/2013 7:14:15 AM
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Good for Hobbs! He is a citizen, just like anyone else. I'd like to see you people have the balls to do the honorable thing, instead the majority of tbay looks the other way when they see crime, domestic disputes, an old lady fall or a child being abused. Don't point your dirty little fingers unless your hands are clean.
Good job Mayor Hobbs!! there is just something so sexy about that man and his confidence =)
4/10/2013 7:52:25 AM
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just a question...does a person's citizen powers of arrest include "causing a disturbance"?
4/10/2013 8:01:44 AM
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DOES THE AUDITORIUM NOT HIRE SECURITY FOR THESES EVENTS AND IF HOBBS WAS ACTING AS MAYOR AT THE TIME OF SAID EVENT SHOULD HE NOT BE TREATED AS AN
EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY ,ZERO TOLERANCE OF VIOLENCE?????
4/10/2013 8:03:02 AM
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Glad to see our mayor is a man of action. many would just have waited for violence to errupt and than call for police.
Anyone could have done the same but few would have had the courage.
Keep it up, you still have my vote.
4/10/2013 8:19:43 AM
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joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
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...lol.....he grounded that guy.....
took away his cellphone,
tv & car privileges away for 3 weeks...
4/10/2013 8:31:19 AM
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Man, you negative people have nothing better to do than bash people and find something negative in everything on this site.
Pathetic.
And loring, really? All CAPS? I didn't even bother to read what you wrote.
4/10/2013 8:37:01 AM
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What was said during the presentation that got this gentleman so upset?
Was it recorded somewhere?
4/10/2013 8:47:30 AM
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Are you people serious????? Causing a disturbance.... Charged with assault.... zero tolerance of violence... Lawsuit? Give your head a shake. Maybe Hobbs should have grabbed this guy and dropped him off on your doorstep to see how you would have handled the situation.
4/10/2013 9:21:08 AM
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Sometimes we NEED to be loud to get our message out to these fatcats. I commend the man and know exactly what he was trying to say before they censored him.
4/10/2013 9:47:11 AM
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It would be nice if the media would follow up and see what message the gentleman was trying to get out before he was silenced.
4/10/2013 10:52:40 AM
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It would be just as nice if the "gentleman" involved could have presented his message in a civil manner - say, without being drunk and having to resort to shouting obscene vulgarities at a public meeting.
4/10/2013 11:02:03 AM
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Must hit home eh hank?
4/10/2013 9:01:40 PM
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I've got no problem with this - too often, good people have to endure the poor manners and idiocy of others.
It seems that in their zeal to proclaim "free speech", that some people forget that occasionally you have to take responsibility for what comes out of your mouth.
I just wonder if it was anyone OTHER than Mr. Hobbs, would we have the same amount of negative comments.
4/10/2013 10:13:33 AM
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What precedent does this set?
Will the excuse of "I was putting him under citizens arrest" be sufficient to replace an assault charge? Why are citizens arrests even allowed? Can I jump out of my truck and pull someone out of their car, throw them to the ground and tell them they're under arrest because I saw them texting?
I think the Mayor could have taken charge of the situation the same as a regular non-former-cop-citizen would have. Call the police, attempt to contain him non-physically, and IF NECESSARY, then use limited force. If he had engaged him verbally, there would have been any numnber of people stand up and assist if necessary. Usually that quells the situation in itself.
I wasn't there, so I don't know the specifics, but I've been involved in enough similar incidents that have been resolved without any physical contact. Unless this case was pretty extreme, I think the Mayor set a bad example. It opens the door for others who think they know the law.
4/10/2013 10:19:29 AM
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I don't think the cops can arrest someone for texting while driving. They also can't "throw people to the ground" just because they are being arrested. So you probably can't either. Question answered. Unless you were trying to be sarcastic, then you just look silly.
4/10/2013 12:24:30 PM
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Me n My Opinion says:
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The questions weren't sarcastic. They're very serious. What can a citizen do or not do? Police can and do charge people for texting while driving, although not as much as I wish they would. And from Mr Hobbs' quote above "he started resisting so I just grounded him.”
Can I do that?
So you answered the question, but not with an answer that makes any sense. Why can't I place a driving texter under arrest and "ground him" if he resists? What's stopping me from doing that if the Mayor is allowed to?
4/10/2013 1:07:12 PM
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You missed the part about texting while driving NOT being an arrest worthy offense, apparently. If the police can't arrest for texting while driving, then why should you be able to?
However, if someone is being assaulted, you can perform a citizens arrest to detain the assailant. And yes, you can physically force him to the ground in the process, while you wait for the police.
What part of this is difficult to understand?
4/10/2013 1:58:25 PM
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Molly says:
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The definition of a Peace Officer includes a Mayor.
A friend of mine educated me on this definition
4/10/2013 10:40:37 AM
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You know it alls need to familiarize yourself s with the law before you write moronic comments!!!
4/10/2013 10:47:14 AM
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Good job Mr. Mayor!!
4/10/2013 10:59:44 AM
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The guy was acting like a complete ass. The mayor dealt with it. I say,,,Thank you for stepping up to the plate and dealing with this doink.
4/10/2013 11:02:36 AM
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Good for him to step in and deal with the idiot. You people just seem to bash him for anything he does, what you have done ran the other way and let this person get out of control and assault someone? He knows how to deal with these type of individual and thats what he did. Nice to see we have a mayor that is not afraid to step in just because of what people may think of him. The intoxicated idiot got what he deserved.
4/10/2013 11:55:44 AM
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wow he must feel like a hero
4/10/2013 12:38:19 PM
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joey joe joe jr. shabadoo says:
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@NICOLEWINTERS:
...dang girl!
4/10/2013 12:44:03 PM
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Are there any video cameras under the canopy of the auditorium to see what took place....in the take down?
If there are, I hope they were up and running and the video is available.
4/10/2013 1:06:35 PM
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And if there was and they show that everyone official involved did everything by the book...will you give it a rest?
4/10/2013 1:37:37 PM
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Yes,it would remove any suspicion of doubt.
4/10/2013 4:41:31 PM
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Mayor did the right thing! People need to learn respect in this city. aint noboby got time for that.
4/10/2013 1:26:12 PM
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Im sorry, but this mayor is a chump. He's trying to be a hero.
I wonder which words were so offensive that it warranted a physical assault by the mayor?
Why not just call the police? There was no matter of urgency that warranted such a ridiculous display of bravado.
The Mayor is supposed to be fighting crime by addressing the administration and political issues facing us. Not pulling stupid stunts like this.
Hes an embarrassment to us all.
4/10/2013 5:25:01 PM
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Baor says:
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"He's an embarrassment to us all."
Speak for yourself. I am proud my mayor did something like this.
4/10/2013 9:00:01 PM
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I guess you negative, Mayor bashing folks, just don't get it. As I posted earlier, the Mayor was in close prozimity to the man, once the man walked the length of the row, all the while spouting obscenities all the way and I would have to say he was posturing in an agressive manner. The Mayor did NOt grab the man in a forceful manner, but did turn him towards the back of the hall and then escoted the man up the aisle, followed by several others on the way.
Barry Medowin, I find your comments "Sometimes we NEED to be loud to get our message out to these fatcats. I commend the man and know exactly what he was trying to say before they censored him" as absolutely stupid. The man interrupted the presenter while he was mentioning the need to increase the transmission lines to the Remote Communities, with rather vulgar and foul language. He was a caucasion man and I find it incomprhensible that you, as a supposed member of a FN, would want to support this man.
4/10/2013 6:49:23 PM
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I disagree with a lot of things the Mayor has done, but not this. What he did was legal, he appeared to use reasonable force (I guess if the drunk guy wants to push it, he could try to test that in court), and he took control of a situation in which someone--including drunk guy--could have been hurt. He did the right thing. Criticize the Mayor if you must, but do it for the right reasons, for policy failures or municipal mismanagement--not simply because you don't like the guy and will criticize him simply for breathing. It just makes those doing so in this thread look hysterical and childish.
4/10/2013 7:00:28 PM
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He did the right thing, unlike most who turn a blind eye and hope t disappears like the vast majority would do. What he did was perfectly and within ALL of our rights.
4/11/2013 6:56:58 AM
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MR Hobbs, Two thumbs up for your actions... To bad you didnt bounce this guys face off the pavement a few times.
Seriously Mr Hobbs did what any able bodied person SHOULD do in a situation. The fact of the matter is we do not have enough police to be everywhere all of the time. I would do the exact same thing.
People take pride in our city take ownership and fix the idiots who make us look bad.
MR Hobbs in my opinion is the BEST mayor Thunder Bay has had in years.
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Me n...no you can't arrest someone for texting and driving. It isn't an arrestable offence under the highway traffic act.
The Criminal Code does have arrest provisions for "anyone" who finds someone in the commission of a criminal offence "may arrest"....not just a police or peace officer
4/11/2013 11:39:25 AM
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After reading the comment attached to mine above, I did some research. My understanding of what "arrest" meant was wrong. I thought that in order to be charged, you also had to be arrested, but that's not the case. There are certain offences for which a citizens arrest is allowed, and certain others that they are not.
Learning that doesn't really change my concern, which is, without knowing the law, how does one do a citizens arrest? How do you know when you can or cannot? What offences and what circumstances have to be in play? Why are they allowed? How much vigilante justice can be hidden behind the excuse of "I was placing him under citizens arrest"?
If the Mayor hadn't been deemed a Peace Officer, would his "arrest" have been legitimate, or would he have committed an assault because the offence was not one that that a citzen could enforce?
The whole idea of citizens arrest just seems like a really slippery slope to me.
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You're still not getting it. A person is not CHARGED for texting while driving. They are fined. That's it. There's no arrest, no charges. Therefore, your analogy needs to be tossed out.
What is the purpose in bringing up hypotheticals when this situation is so simple? You say "if the mayor hadn't been deemed a peace officer". The FACT is he is an ex-police officer. He IS aware of what citizens arrests are legitimate, and you apparently are not. Are you just digging for something complain about in regards to the mayor?
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Now to help combat crime in this city perhaps the the Mayor can help combat the drunk person situation in thunder bay. Seems like EVERY night there is a slew of drunks causing problems near the corner of Brodie and Victoria. There is lots of criminal activity going on in this area. Help us Mayor Batman
4/11/2013 4:59:46 PM
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LOL...Luv it!
Pipe in the theme music..."Look! Up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane ...no.. it's MAYOR BATMAN!!"
4/12/2013 12:17:31 PM
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TOTALLY lol`ing at all the people who ALWAYS find something to complain about, and its always the same people. If there was a job position in this city for " professional Whiners", the unemployment situation would disappear overnight... but then one of the constant whiners would complain because theres no more jobs available.
The mayor is a former police officer and former police chief who used the very skills he was trained with to rather gently subdue some cementhead who was disrupting a public meeting. If he'd done nothing, the same people would be complaining about THAT.
I may not always agree with his policies, but in this case, seriously, whats the problem? What is wrong with you people. Constant complaining just for the sake of complaining... something Thunder Bay, sadly, does NOT have a shortage of.
Well Done, Mayor Hobbs.
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Little Timmy H, you are the true embarrassment here, NOT the mayor. Grow up and stop being a cranky old man
4/12/2013 12:19:10 PM
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Assault is not a way to shut someone up! I'd like to know what they guy that was tackled was trying to say. It must have been pretty good to have the town Chief pretend to be an officer he clearly isn't! So what I've learned from this is next time I see someone breaking the law I'm allowed to play Police Officer....MINT!! And if I get in trouble I'll just say I was doing what the mayor did and its acceptable!
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It was not what the man had to say (his topic of discussio) but rather the manner in which he chose to discuss it that was the crux of the matter. He extreme vulgarness in a public forum was totally uncalled for and the manner in which he attempted to approach the presenter certainly were cause for concern. The Mayor did the right thing in his initial intervention. along with John Mason of the CEDC and they escorted the man from the auditorium. I would like to thing that others would have intervened as well, should the matter not been headed off by the Mayor.
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story on lawsuit to follow
4/9/2013 8:23:24 PM
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Swirly-Q says:
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"When I got him outside he started resisting so I just grounded him."
If some random guy grabs you, pushes you around and tells you I'm under arrest, I think "resisting" is probably a reasonable reaction.
Does our mayor regard himself as Batman? He shouldn't. He's going to get himself in trouble again and the taxpayer will, again, have to pay for it.
4/9/2013 8:42:16 PM
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Batman for sure , but what about Joe Virdiramo ? Det. Frank Cannon perhaps ?
4/9/2013 11:45:56 PM
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The guy was a cop for how many years. He been shot at how many times? I'm sure he can safely handle a citizens arrest. Being a police officer who dealt with a lot of intoxicated people (which thunder bay is famous for) he obviously knows what the limits are. He didn't go out of his way looking for trouble but the guy left him no choice. With no security at the event and with a police background would you let someone sit there and swear at people? When would you have stepped in? When he started throwing punches? If he was that agitated it would have easily made it to that level.
(from the Canadian criminal code on citizens arrest)494.(1) Any one may arrest without warrant b) a person who, on reasonable grounds, he believes (i) has committed a criminal offence, and
(opinion) While being intoxicated in public is only a summary offense, police officers will typically arrest because the person becomes a danger to themselves.Mayor Hobbs was well within his rights as was anyone else there
4/10/2013 12:06:08 AM
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I doubt the mayor will sue.
4/9/2013 9:03:46 PM
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dee16 says:
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" I love what I'm doing now" ... Which is what exactly??
4/9/2013 9:03:50 PM
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SomeGuy says:
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In other news Mayor Hobbs saves kitten from tree, TBnewswatch commenters lambast him for climbing a tree wasting tax payer money, says tree's should all be replaced with bushes.
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Swirly-Q says:
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Hey, I'm all for cracking down on public drunkenness and unruly behaviour but this mayor's bravado has cost us before in legal bills. I'm hoping it doesn't again.
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lol.. thats awesome! good job Mayor!
4/9/2013 9:22:40 PM
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Was this such an emergency that he couldn't have called the cops? The station is a minute away. Ridiculous.
4/9/2013 9:25:13 PM
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Good call Mr. Hobbs.
None of you were there and know nothing more than what you are reading in the news report so mind your own business. It doesn't matter who, what, when or why, you miserable people will always input your negative comments.
4/9/2013 9:44:18 PM
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Obviously, not one of the commentors above attended the meeting. I did, and it was quite evident the man was not in a proper state of mind. He first spoke out during the presentation from his seat at the far end of a row, near the front, swearing once. Mr. Lindsay responded to him with an answer and that seemed to satisfy him, at least temporarily. A short time later, again during the presentation, the man rose from his seat and walked along his row towards the near end and spouted obscenites, directed at the presenter and all within earshot. He left the end of his row and the Mayor rose from his seat at the first row and approached the man, directly in fr9nt of myself. The man knew who was excorting him from the hall, as he addressed Mr. Hobbs as "mister mayor". He left the hall with the Mayor and a couple of others escorting him. I do not know what happened outside, but I do know the man was agitated inside the hall Thank you Mr. Mayor.
4/9/2013 9:54:30 PM
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dee16 "Sleeping on the leather couch" , then "A walk about"
4/9/2013 11:24:55 PM
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Those "Wednesday walk abouts" seem to really be helping the stabbings, robbings, arson's,drug problems, and alcohol problems in this city haven't heard about one in the past couple of hours....
4/10/2013 12:19:54 AM
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You are grasping for straws with your Mayor bashing comment.
There could be 10,000 police officers in this city and it would do nothing to stop the stabbings, robberies, arsons, alcohol and drug problems.
These problems will continue until the end of time as they are mental health issues that nobody has any control over.
4/10/2013 9:41:45 AM
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Heres an idea, find the ROOT of the problem...I can TELL you what it is. Narcotics is a huge problem in this city, when people need, they rob. The stabbings and murders I can TELL you is NOT random. A lot of the times it is because people owe money for drugs, or are mugging them for the drugs. As a person who is around the same age as a lot of these criminals and victims and I am well aware of the issues going on, and have seen it first hand.Instead of spending money on things like "light up hockey sticks that tell a story" at the marina, why not spend it on drug programs, and support groups, sure there might already be some in this city but are the put out there in the open. When I was in high school and college there was minimal if ANY awareness of these programs. Sure I understand the idea of beautifying the waterfront and the city, but is it really beautiful to be walking down at the water front and seeing emergency response services there because someone got hurt?
4/10/2013 10:49:17 AM
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Dee, you are correct. Mystified, your comment about 10000 police officers doing nothing is also correct.
We need to stop spending money on police and start spending on the root of the problem. Raises for cops does NOTHING to help combat crime.
4/10/2013 2:37:18 PM
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I thought poor police wages were all the problem here.
4/12/2013 10:04:09 AM
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Another one of Hobb's pubblicity stunts, how much did he pay the man to act up! Also to Tbnewswatch = what happened to the Resolute tax story you had earlier today, pretty hard to find now, but I am sure this will not get printed.
4/10/2013 1:20:03 AM
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Pretty sure the Resolute tax story wound-up in the same place as the story about everyone's favorite employer...Bucky.
4/10/2013 10:10:38 AM
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So if Mr Hobbs Touched him, couldn't he be charged with assault.
4/10/2013 3:48:05 AM
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Good Job Mr. Mayor
A man of action!
4/10/2013 6:47:14 AM
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Nanoo says...
lol.. thats awesome! good job Mayor
I agree
4/10/2013 6:49:15 AM
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typical thunder bay mentality, nobody does anything, people sit there like yo yos, than once the mayor got involved, a couple other people decided to get off their butts and help out. Why didn't the former police officer escort the man out of the hall before the mayor had to get involved.
4/10/2013 7:14:15 AM
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Good for Hobbs! He is a citizen, just like anyone else. I'd like to see you people have the balls to do the honorable thing, instead the majority of tbay looks the other way when they see crime, domestic disputes, an old lady fall or a child being abused. Don't point your dirty little fingers unless your hands are clean.
Good job Mayor Hobbs!! there is just something so sexy about that man and his confidence =)
4/10/2013 7:52:25 AM
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just a question...does a person's citizen powers of arrest include "causing a disturbance"?
4/10/2013 8:01:44 AM
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DOES THE AUDITORIUM NOT HIRE SECURITY FOR THESES EVENTS AND IF HOBBS WAS ACTING AS MAYOR AT THE TIME OF SAID EVENT SHOULD HE NOT BE TREATED AS AN
EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY ,ZERO TOLERANCE OF VIOLENCE?????
4/10/2013 8:03:02 AM
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Glad to see our mayor is a man of action. many would just have waited for violence to errupt and than call for police.
Anyone could have done the same but few would have had the courage.
Keep it up, you still have my vote.
4/10/2013 8:19:43 AM
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...lol.....he grounded that guy.....
took away his cellphone,
tv & car privileges away for 3 weeks...
4/10/2013 8:31:19 AM
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Man, you negative people have nothing better to do than bash people and find something negative in everything on this site.
Pathetic.
And loring, really? All CAPS? I didn't even bother to read what you wrote.
4/10/2013 8:37:01 AM
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What was said during the presentation that got this gentleman so upset?
Was it recorded somewhere?
4/10/2013 8:47:30 AM
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Are you people serious????? Causing a disturbance.... Charged with assault.... zero tolerance of violence... Lawsuit? Give your head a shake. Maybe Hobbs should have grabbed this guy and dropped him off on your doorstep to see how you would have handled the situation.
4/10/2013 9:21:08 AM
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Sometimes we NEED to be loud to get our message out to these fatcats. I commend the man and know exactly what he was trying to say before they censored him.
4/10/2013 9:47:11 AM
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It would be nice if the media would follow up and see what message the gentleman was trying to get out before he was silenced.
4/10/2013 10:52:40 AM
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It would be just as nice if the "gentleman" involved could have presented his message in a civil manner - say, without being drunk and having to resort to shouting obscene vulgarities at a public meeting.
4/10/2013 11:02:03 AM
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Must hit home eh hank?
4/10/2013 9:01:40 PM
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I've got no problem with this - too often, good people have to endure the poor manners and idiocy of others.
It seems that in their zeal to proclaim "free speech", that some people forget that occasionally you have to take responsibility for what comes out of your mouth.
I just wonder if it was anyone OTHER than Mr. Hobbs, would we have the same amount of negative comments.
4/10/2013 10:13:33 AM
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What precedent does this set?
Will the excuse of "I was putting him under citizens arrest" be sufficient to replace an assault charge? Why are citizens arrests even allowed? Can I jump out of my truck and pull someone out of their car, throw them to the ground and tell them they're under arrest because I saw them texting?
I think the Mayor could have taken charge of the situation the same as a regular non-former-cop-citizen would have. Call the police, attempt to contain him non-physically, and IF NECESSARY, then use limited force. If he had engaged him verbally, there would have been any numnber of people stand up and assist if necessary. Usually that quells the situation in itself.
I wasn't there, so I don't know the specifics, but I've been involved in enough similar incidents that have been resolved without any physical contact. Unless this case was pretty extreme, I think the Mayor set a bad example. It opens the door for others who think they know the law.
4/10/2013 10:19:29 AM
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I don't think the cops can arrest someone for texting while driving. They also can't "throw people to the ground" just because they are being arrested. So you probably can't either. Question answered. Unless you were trying to be sarcastic, then you just look silly.
4/10/2013 12:24:30 PM
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The questions weren't sarcastic. They're very serious. What can a citizen do or not do? Police can and do charge people for texting while driving, although not as much as I wish they would. And from Mr Hobbs' quote above "he started resisting so I just grounded him.”
Can I do that?
So you answered the question, but not with an answer that makes any sense. Why can't I place a driving texter under arrest and "ground him" if he resists? What's stopping me from doing that if the Mayor is allowed to?
4/10/2013 1:07:12 PM
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You missed the part about texting while driving NOT being an arrest worthy offense, apparently. If the police can't arrest for texting while driving, then why should you be able to?
However, if someone is being assaulted, you can perform a citizens arrest to detain the assailant. And yes, you can physically force him to the ground in the process, while you wait for the police.
What part of this is difficult to understand?
4/10/2013 1:58:25 PM
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The definition of a Peace Officer includes a Mayor.
A friend of mine educated me on this definition
4/10/2013 10:40:37 AM
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You know it alls need to familiarize yourself s with the law before you write moronic comments!!!
4/10/2013 10:47:14 AM
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Good job Mr. Mayor!!
4/10/2013 10:59:44 AM
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The guy was acting like a complete ass. The mayor dealt with it. I say,,,Thank you for stepping up to the plate and dealing with this doink.
4/10/2013 11:02:36 AM
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Good for him to step in and deal with the idiot. You people just seem to bash him for anything he does, what you have done ran the other way and let this person get out of control and assault someone? He knows how to deal with these type of individual and thats what he did. Nice to see we have a mayor that is not afraid to step in just because of what people may think of him. The intoxicated idiot got what he deserved.
4/10/2013 11:55:44 AM
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wow he must feel like a hero
4/10/2013 12:38:19 PM
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@NICOLEWINTERS:
...dang girl!
4/10/2013 12:44:03 PM
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Are there any video cameras under the canopy of the auditorium to see what took place....in the take down?
If there are, I hope they were up and running and the video is available.
4/10/2013 1:06:35 PM
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And if there was and they show that everyone official involved did everything by the book...will you give it a rest?
4/10/2013 1:37:37 PM
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Yes,it would remove any suspicion of doubt.
4/10/2013 4:41:31 PM
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Mayor did the right thing! People need to learn respect in this city. aint noboby got time for that.
4/10/2013 1:26:12 PM
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Im sorry, but this mayor is a chump. He's trying to be a hero.
I wonder which words were so offensive that it warranted a physical assault by the mayor?
Why not just call the police? There was no matter of urgency that warranted such a ridiculous display of bravado.
The Mayor is supposed to be fighting crime by addressing the administration and political issues facing us. Not pulling stupid stunts like this.
Hes an embarrassment to us all.
4/10/2013 5:25:01 PM
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"He's an embarrassment to us all."
Speak for yourself. I am proud my mayor did something like this.
4/10/2013 9:00:01 PM
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I guess you negative, Mayor bashing folks, just don't get it. As I posted earlier, the Mayor was in close prozimity to the man, once the man walked the length of the row, all the while spouting obscenities all the way and I would have to say he was posturing in an agressive manner. The Mayor did NOt grab the man in a forceful manner, but did turn him towards the back of the hall and then escoted the man up the aisle, followed by several others on the way.
Barry Medowin, I find your comments "Sometimes we NEED to be loud to get our message out to these fatcats. I commend the man and know exactly what he was trying to say before they censored him" as absolutely stupid. The man interrupted the presenter while he was mentioning the need to increase the transmission lines to the Remote Communities, with rather vulgar and foul language. He was a caucasion man and I find it incomprhensible that you, as a supposed member of a FN, would want to support this man.
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I disagree with a lot of things the Mayor has done, but not this. What he did was legal, he appeared to use reasonable force (I guess if the drunk guy wants to push it, he could try to test that in court), and he took control of a situation in which someone--including drunk guy--could have been hurt. He did the right thing. Criticize the Mayor if you must, but do it for the right reasons, for policy failures or municipal mismanagement--not simply because you don't like the guy and will criticize him simply for breathing. It just makes those doing so in this thread look hysterical and childish.
4/10/2013 7:00:28 PM
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He did the right thing, unlike most who turn a blind eye and hope t disappears like the vast majority would do. What he did was perfectly and within ALL of our rights.
4/11/2013 6:56:58 AM
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MR Hobbs, Two thumbs up for your actions... To bad you didnt bounce this guys face off the pavement a few times.
Seriously Mr Hobbs did what any able bodied person SHOULD do in a situation. The fact of the matter is we do not have enough police to be everywhere all of the time. I would do the exact same thing.
People take pride in our city take ownership and fix the idiots who make us look bad.
MR Hobbs in my opinion is the BEST mayor Thunder Bay has had in years.
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Me n...no you can't arrest someone for texting and driving. It isn't an arrestable offence under the highway traffic act.
The Criminal Code does have arrest provisions for "anyone" who finds someone in the commission of a criminal offence "may arrest"....not just a police or peace officer
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After reading the comment attached to mine above, I did some research. My understanding of what "arrest" meant was wrong. I thought that in order to be charged, you also had to be arrested, but that's not the case. There are certain offences for which a citizens arrest is allowed, and certain others that they are not.
Learning that doesn't really change my concern, which is, without knowing the law, how does one do a citizens arrest? How do you know when you can or cannot? What offences and what circumstances have to be in play? Why are they allowed? How much vigilante justice can be hidden behind the excuse of "I was placing him under citizens arrest"?
If the Mayor hadn't been deemed a Peace Officer, would his "arrest" have been legitimate, or would he have committed an assault because the offence was not one that that a citzen could enforce?
The whole idea of citizens arrest just seems like a really slippery slope to me.
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You're still not getting it. A person is not CHARGED for texting while driving. They are fined. That's it. There's no arrest, no charges. Therefore, your analogy needs to be tossed out.
What is the purpose in bringing up hypotheticals when this situation is so simple? You say "if the mayor hadn't been deemed a peace officer". The FACT is he is an ex-police officer. He IS aware of what citizens arrests are legitimate, and you apparently are not. Are you just digging for something complain about in regards to the mayor?
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Now to help combat crime in this city perhaps the the Mayor can help combat the drunk person situation in thunder bay. Seems like EVERY night there is a slew of drunks causing problems near the corner of Brodie and Victoria. There is lots of criminal activity going on in this area. Help us Mayor Batman
4/11/2013 4:59:46 PM
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LOL...Luv it!
Pipe in the theme music..."Look! Up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane ...no.. it's MAYOR BATMAN!!"
4/12/2013 12:17:31 PM
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TOTALLY lol`ing at all the people who ALWAYS find something to complain about, and its always the same people. If there was a job position in this city for " professional Whiners", the unemployment situation would disappear overnight... but then one of the constant whiners would complain because theres no more jobs available.
The mayor is a former police officer and former police chief who used the very skills he was trained with to rather gently subdue some cementhead who was disrupting a public meeting. If he'd done nothing, the same people would be complaining about THAT.
I may not always agree with his policies, but in this case, seriously, whats the problem? What is wrong with you people. Constant complaining just for the sake of complaining... something Thunder Bay, sadly, does NOT have a shortage of.
Well Done, Mayor Hobbs.
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Little Timmy H, you are the true embarrassment here, NOT the mayor. Grow up and stop being a cranky old man
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Assault is not a way to shut someone up! I'd like to know what they guy that was tackled was trying to say. It must have been pretty good to have the town Chief pretend to be an officer he clearly isn't! So what I've learned from this is next time I see someone breaking the law I'm allowed to play Police Officer....MINT!! And if I get in trouble I'll just say I was doing what the mayor did and its acceptable!
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It was not what the man had to say (his topic of discussio) but rather the manner in which he chose to discuss it that was the crux of the matter. He extreme vulgarness in a public forum was totally uncalled for and the manner in which he attempted to approach the presenter certainly were cause for concern. The Mayor did the right thing in his initial intervention. along with John Mason of the CEDC and they escorted the man from the auditorium. I would like to thing that others would have intervened as well, should the matter not been headed off by the Mayor.
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